In epist. 123.15-16 Seneca polemicizes against the degenerate Epicureans, but also against philosophers of his own secta, when they assert that the sapiens must be also combibendi et conuiuendi peritissimus. The brief but harsh moralistic criticism involves the sympotic debates of philosophers about the best age of the young eromenoi, stigmatized as a Greek habit, and opposed to the real Stoic and Roman uirtus.